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All that is left is for the last soldier to die.
by Hilding Lindquist   
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Last edited: Saturday, October 15, 2005
Posted: Tuesday, October 11, 2005

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All that is left is for the last soldier to die.

An exchange in response to my poem, "There is no undoing of it"

There is no undoing of it
by Hilding Lindquist
Saturday, October 08, 2005

Thoughts on our War in Iraq:
There is no undoing of it..

It is hard to believe
this is happening
at the behest of my country.

Like the good Germans
who swept the ashes
from their window sills
that had fallen overnight
from the crematoriums

We go about our lives
as if it isn't happening.

To our eternal shame.

It has been done.
It is being done.
It will be done.

There is no undoing of it.

Ever.

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Reviewed by Eileen:

Though I abhor war, I wonder why no one ever denounced Saddam Husein when he was killing hundreds of thousands of his own people with chemicals and other tortures, thousands of them babies. Far more thousands than has been killed in the war in Iraq. Also, no one ever says anything about the terrorists and what they are causing all over the world. Why is there so much bias against our country when we were the ones attacked! I'd love to hear your complaints against the osama's of the world too. Thank you!



Eileen

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My Reply to Eileen:

Thanks for the comments.

I have some questions for you. Do you mean "Saddam Husein when he was killing hundreds of thousands of his own people with chemicals and other tortures, thousands of them babies" and we were providing Saddam with the wherewithal to commit those attrocities?

Another question: Are you suggesting that I judge my country by the standards of the Osama's of the world?

There are specific reasons to abhor what we have done, are doing, and will do in Iraq. Are we willing to invade another country and wreak direct death and destruction on the people while we don't have to pay for it directly, either in treasure (taxes) or through a draft drawing on all our families? Are we content to go about our lives as if we are not at war? Will we withdraw when we have to pay the true cost of this war? Are we willing to have the people of Iraq pay the price of war while we don't or won't? When will we notice the falling ashes?

Finally, Iraq didn't attack us. As far as we apparently know, Osama bin Laden is residing in Pakistan. Isn't Pakistan our ally and doesn't it support the madrassas that many claim produce the terrorists?. The Twin Towers' hijackers mostly came from Saudi Arabia--if my memory serves me correclty. Isn't Saudi Arabia our ally and doesn't it support the madrassas that many claim produce the terrorists?.

Believe me, I am all for opposing terrorism, right down to roots. Just read my poem, "Who are the terrorists, Mr. President." I am also in favor of fixing the mess we have created in Iraq as best we can--to borrow from Colin Powell's pottery barn rule, "If you break it, you own it."--but right now I believe we are just making things worse over there. And we are not willing to pay the price of making it right. In this scenario as it has played out, the root fault lies with the Neocons who led us into war with no real understanding of what they were getting us into ... even though they were repeatedly warned about getting us into the mess they got us into.

Again, thanks for your thoughtful review.
Gus

Hilding "Gus" Lindquist

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Hi Hilding Lindquist:

First...If your employer who pays your wages, is a deceitful killer, you can't be held responsible for that.Nor can nations who help other nations be held responsible when the leaders commit atrocious crimes such as Saddam did...

Next of course we can't use the same methods terrorists do and I'm not suggesting war is right and I didn't approve it, but I stand behind our military and government who are trying to help another country become free to be a democracy. Even if you don't agree with it, to tell them to cut and run leaving them high and dry is as atrocious as Osama is. Besides which it would leave the country wide open for the Al Oueda to take over and have a base for terrorism and able to defeat Israel which has always been one of their main goals.

Do you have a better solution besides just turning tail and running away? Also, don't you think the guys fighting over there are sick and tired of people telling them they shouldn't fight, and bring them home. I've seen crippled soldiers in hospitals saying they want to go back if they can and finish the job. Don't soldiers have a voice too? Why does everyone ignore them. They have a right to fight and to speak out, yet everyone wants to do their talking for them. Out of hundreds of soldiers I've seen only a couple who have said they want to quit. I pray it's over soon, but not by being cowards and leaving Iraq worse off than it was before. Thank you for your questions, and I hope you can agree to disagree without any rancor, for I have none towards you , just giving my opinion.

Best Wishes,
Eileen

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Hi Eileen:

My replies are woven in below:

You write:
First...If your employer who pays your wages, is a deceitful killer, you can't be held responsible for that.

My reply:
I don't understand what you are stating as a principle. I wouldn't work for a deceitful killer.

You write:
Nor can nations who help other nations be held responsible when the leaders commit atrocious crimes such as Saddam did...

My reply:
Apparently your understanding of the history of the Middle East and the complicity of "Western" nations in that history is different then mine. From my view, Saddam in many respects was "our" man in that area within an artificial "national" boundary established by European powers, not by the people within that boundary.

You write:
Next of course we can't use the same methods terrorists do and I'm not suggesting war is right and I didn't approve it, but I stand behind our military and government who are trying to help another country become free to be a democracy. Even if you don't agree with it, to tell them to cut and run leaving them high and dry is as atrocious as Osama is.

My reply:
I am not for cutting and running either. I am for accepting the responsibility of actually waging a war that will establish the stability we say we want. If we are not willing to do that, then we are spinning our wheels and sinking deeper into the sands of the Middle East. If this war is on the same level as WWII (as Bush #43 states) then where is the national committment to winning? On the other hand, what are we doing there if our leaders don't have what it takes to lead us to victory?

Every expert on fighting an insurgency that I have read or heard (who isn't beholden to Bush #43) has written or said that our current efforts are no way to win a war against an insurgency as embedded as the insurgency in Iraq NOW is.

Bush #43 is the guy looking for the first opportunity to declare victory (with the acceptance of the constitution) and leave ... before the 2006 elections here in this country. What I am saying is, if we are not willing to pay the price of fighting to win, then let us please stop the charade before we kill more innocent people ... our soldiers included.

You write:
Besides which it would leave the country wide open for the Al Oueda to take over and have a base for terrorism and able to defeat Israel which has always been one of their main goals.

My reply:
That's the scary part. The Neocons have gotten us into a real mess. And Bush #43, Cheney, and Rumsfeld refuse to level with us on what it will take to win. And in one sense they are right to be afraid to now tell us the truth, because they have lied to us so many times.

You write:
Do you have a better solution besides just turning tail and running away? Also, don't you think the guys fighting over there are sick and tired of people telling them they shouldn't fight, and bring them home. I've seen crippled soldiers in hospitals saying they want to go back if they can and finish the job. Don't soldiers have a voice too? Why does everyone ignore them. They have a right to fight and to speak out, yet everyone wants to do their talking for them. Out of hundreds of soldiers I've seen only a couple who have said they want to quit. I pray it's over soon, but not by being cowards and leaving Iraq worse off than it was before. Thank you for your questions, and I hope you can agree to disagree without any rancor, for I have none towards you , just giving my opinion.

My reply:
This is the sad part. Our soldiers were never given the leadership or support required to win this war (as per the General Colin Powell Doctrine or what General Shinseki said--see news article below). And it is not the "Stop the War" crowd that is responsible for that. It has always been the lack of sufficient forces to do the job sent by a nation under leaders not committed to getting it done ... who even use the empty words of "stay the course" on a path leading to defeat ... and who even today refuse to admit their mistakes. I fear it is too late to fix. The 2006 elections are coming and Bush #43 is too weak to rally the nation. All that is left is for the last soldier to die.

The shame for us as a people is that we were willing to accept a war that requires the ultimate sacrifice of others without being willing to match it. In fact, we go about our lives as if nothing is happening.

From the days of "pay any price, bear any burden" to tax cuts and a volunteer military ... how far we have fallen. The only ones making a sacrifice are our brave young men and women, the best of the best (up until now at least), who have joined the military ... and their families.

No I don't feel any rancor toward you ... I am part of the myopia gripping our country ... and I voted for Nixon against Kennedy back in 1960, though I switched my registration to Democrat in the 70's when I moved to Washington State where I voted for Dan Evans, a Republican, for Governor ... just to let you know I have deep roots in independent thought.

Best regards,
Gus

Hidling "Gus" Lindquist

For your information:

Pentagon Contradicts General on Iraq Occupation Force's Size
By Eric Schmitt
New York Times
February 28, 2003

In a contentious exchange over the costs of war with Iraq, the Pentagon's second-ranking official today disparaged a top Army general's assessment of the number of troops needed to secure postwar Iraq. House Democrats then accused the Pentagon official, Paul D. Wolfowitz, of concealing internal administration estimates on the cost of fighting and rebuilding the country.

Mr. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, opened a two-front war of words on Capitol Hill, calling the recent estimate by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki of the Army that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq, "wildly off the mark." Pentagon officials have put the figure closer to 100,000 troops. Mr. Wolfowitz then dismissed articles in several newspapers this week asserting that Pentagon budget specialists put the cost of war and reconstruction at $60 billion to $95 billion in this fiscal year. He said it was impossible to predict accurately a war's duration, its destruction and the extent of rebuilding afterward.

"We have no idea what we will need until we get there on the ground," Mr. Wolfowitz said at a hearing of the House Budget Committee. "Every time we get a briefing on the war plan, it immediately goes down six different branches to see what the scenarios look like. If we costed each and every one, the costs would range from $10 billion to $100 billion." Mr. Wolfowitz's refusal to be pinned down on the costs of war and peace in Iraq infuriated some committee Democrats, who noted that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., the budget director, had briefed President Bush on just such estimates on Tuesday.

"I think you're deliberately keeping us in the dark," said Representative James P. Moran, Democrat of Virginia. "We're not so naïve as to think that you don't know more than you're revealing." Representative Darlene Hooley, an Oregon Democrat, also voiced exasperation with Mr. Wolfowitz: "I think you can do better than that."

Mr. Wolfowitz, with Dov S. Zakheim, the Pentagon comptroller, at his side, tried to mollify the Democratic lawmakers, promising to fill them in eventually on the administration's internal cost estimates. "There will be an appropriate moment," he said, when the Pentagon would provide Congress with cost ranges. "We're not in a position to do that right now."

At a Pentagon news conference with President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, Mr. Rumsfeld echoed his deputy's comments. Neither Mr. Rumsfeld nor Mr. Wolfowitz mentioned General Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, by name. But both men were clearly irritated at the general's suggestion that a postwar Iraq might require many more forces than the 100,000 American troops and the tens of thousands of allied forces that are also expected to join a reconstruction effort.

"The idea that it would take several hundred thousand U.S. forces I think is far off the mark," Mr. Rumsfeld said. General Shinseki gave his estimate in response to a question at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday: "I would say that what's been mobilized to this point — something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers — are probably, you know, a figure that would be required." He also said that the regional commander, Gen. Tommy R. Franks, would determine the precise figure.

A spokesman for General Shinseki, Col. Joe Curtin, said today that the general stood by his estimate. "He was asked a question and he responded with his best military judgment," Colonel Curtin said. General Shinseki is a former commander of the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia.

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Reviewed by Joseph* OneLight*®
Your poem reveals the startling truth. If we were truly concerned about "terrorism", we would have taken a much different approach. Now, the US is seen by many people all around the world as being the "terrorist". Who can blame them for the negative perceptions they now have of Americans? It's an imperialist, nationalist picture which we've allowed to be painted of ourselves.

Thanks for unveiling this ugly portrait,
Joseph
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